War3 models for Heroes

burstman0 · Postby **burstman0** » Aug 28th, '18, 23:05

Postby **DracoL1ch** » Aug 28th, '18, 23:45

Hello! We won't use default models for any new heroes for obvious reasosn - they don't fit at all. Nevertheless, thanks for searching those!

burstman0 · Postby **burstman0** » Aug 29th, '18, 05:10

So, are you planning to make custom models by yourself for them? I dont get it.
All DotA maps have default models, right?

Postby **DracoL1ch** » Aug 29th, '18, 05:43

burstman0 wrote:So, are you planning to make custom models by yourself for them? I dont get it.
All DotA maps have default models, right?

latest map with default models was like, 5.84 ? or even earlier. import all around. Map size is 30mb atm

burstman0 · Postby **burstman0** » Aug 29th, '18, 21:10

Okay then, but you should reconsider the decision.
Most players think that they're classics and suits better than customs at least the units not everything else on map.

Postby **Loki** » Aug 29th, '18, 21:39

meh, doesnt matter what think "most" players

jp06 · Postby **jp06** » Sep 1st, '18, 11:34

burstman0 wrote:Okay then, but you should reconsider the decision.
Most players think that they're classics and suits better than customs at least the units not everything else on map.

Yeah, that's what I felt about the item icons some updates ago. I got used to it after some time so I do not mind it that much but still I'd like the item icons to use default Warcraft 3 icons as much as possible. About the new heroes though, it is better that custom hero models are made.

I'm not saying we totally rip out the models from Dota 2. I recall one video that showcases a Chinese map with a Monkey King that has a nicely made model different from Dota 2. The same could be done to the new heroes but I think it would take some time (a lot) to transition to 7.xx :^^:

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burstman0 · Postby **burstman0** » Sep 1st, '18, 23:44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pTKLIWFkw&

Yes that model is laughable. and evident it's a try to resemble Monkey King from D2, not critizing the model effects for his spells, they look cool.
DotA has(or had) that part that differs from other custom maps, and one of them it's because it used default models for most of things.

But i'm fine if sir Dracol1ch uses custom models like Icefrog did with some Heroes(AA, Enigma, Phanthom Lancer) just hoping they suits even better that default ones, that have the perfect remark.

Firefrog · Postby **Firefrog** » Dec 17th, '18, 14:45

Loki wrote:meh, doesnt matter what think "most" players

Of course you should care about what the community thinks, we all appreciate the work you are doing here but please do not make the mistake of ignoring what the community thinks about the game in general. Most of us are not developers like yourself but some of us have years and years under our belt and we all want the best for dotA no matter what, period.

You wanted suggestions? here you got them, not saying that you will do everything we want you to do but still hear what we got to say. We still play DotA for a reason and it's because we dislike dota 2 animations, we love warcraft III models on DotA, the sounds, etc, it is the heart of DotA whether you like it or not. If I wanted something new then why even bother playing this game? we play DotA because warcraft models are simply amazing and matches the game perfectly. DotA was born on it and remember one thing, you will not be stuck with warcraft III old models for long, Warcraft 3 reforged is coming soon and all warcraft models will be reworked by blizzard which will make endless possibilities in matters of rework and adding new heroes. STICK WITH WC3 MODELS even if they don't match the heroes from DotA 2 it wont matter, it will still be warcraft model at the end of the day and that's much better than what steam dota 2 has to offer anyways.

Postby **Loki** » Dec 17th, '18, 15:06

Firefrog wrote:
Loki wrote:meh, doesnt matter what think "most" players

Of course you should care about what the community thinks, we all appreciate the work you are doing here but please do not make the mistake of ignoring what the community thinks about the game in general. Most of us are not developers like yourself but some of us have years and years under our belt and we all want the best for dotA no matter what, period.

the community has no clear opinion on any issue, so it does not matter what one group wants, there will always be their opponents

Firefrog · Postby **Firefrog** » Dec 17th, '18, 15:16

Loki wrote: community has no clear opinion on any issue, so it does not matter what one group wants, there will always be their opponents

I'm sure that most of the community think that we should stick with warcraft 3 models, make votations and you will see.

Postby **Loki** » Dec 17th, '18, 15:20

nope, I dont think so
is votations joke?

Firefrog · Postby **Firefrog** » Dec 17th, '18, 15:23

Loki wrote:nope, I dont think so
is votations joke?

No is not a joke, so you are telling me that you don't care about what the majority cares or thinks about dotA? There is a hughe chunk of the community that thinks just like me, but in all honest I'm starting to think that you don't care a single bit.

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Maybe Burstman0 and me are the only ones to step up and tell you about it but trust me, there are many that thinks like us.

Postby **Loki** » Dec 17th, '18, 15:40

lets look on community and rationality of voting
for example, 100 units = entire community

99 of them never visit d1stats
80 of them never visit site of thier platform
50 of them won't vote even if votations will embedded in dota

40 of them think nothig about map or models, they just play
25 of them hate any updates
35 of them want any new content

10 of them agree to following d2 patches
25 of them suggest make own balance

10 of them want only wc3 models
35 of them agree to only wc3-stylish models
15 of them want any-stile new epic models

democracy isn't working :boss:

zaksor · Postby **zaksor** » Dec 17th, '18, 15:50

Loki wrote:lets look on community and rationality of voting
for example, 100 units = entire community

99 of them never visit d1stats
80 of them never visit site of thier platform
50 of them won't vote even if votations will embedded in dota

40 of them think nothig about map or models, they just play
25 of them hate any updates
35 of them want any new content
10 of them agree to following d2 patches
25 of them suggest make own balance

10 of them want only wc3 models
35 of them agree to only wc3-stylish models
15 of them want any-stile new epic models

democracy isn't working

99 of them want old viper model

Mortrus · Postby **Mortrus** » Dec 17th, '18, 15:55

And normal Bloodthorn icon, not Sven's cleave.

Postby **Loki** » Dec 17th, '18, 15:57

however, the voting ended and in it all the votes were cast for a new model

burstman0 · Postby **burstman0** » Dec 18th, '18, 01:22

Glad to know that there are people that thinks the same.

@Loki, If you play DotA Allstars too you should know that the community is all critics about everything(including players themselves) and there are new players monthly like in D2 so old players are actually a very very low percentage of it.
If you say that not one cares about models, you're wrong.

Seriously, I can't imagine a good custom model for Monkey King that doesn't look cartoonish or these type of RPG Maps models that are popular in the plattforms.
It need to look like a typical Warcraft model that Old Blizzard would do.

zaksor · Postby **zaksor** » Dec 18th, '18, 11:39

burstman0 wrote:Glad to know that there are people that thinks the same.

@Loki, If you play DotA Allstars too you should know that the community is all critics about everything(including players themselves) and there are new players monthly like in D2 so old players are actually a very very low percentage of it.
If you say that not one cares about models, you're wrong.

Seriously, I can't imagine a good custom model for Monkey King that doesn't look cartoonish or these type of RPG Maps models that are popular in the plattforms.
It need to look like a typical Warcraft model that Old Blizzard would do.

Let's just wait and see what they'll do to Monkey King , so far they made almost flawless decisions to DotaAllStars

Firefrog · Postby **Firefrog** » Dec 18th, '18, 13:39

I mean I understand that some of these warcraft models might not match entirely some of the new heroes concepts from dota 2 but think about it, some of the older heroes dosent make sense at all anyway and we still love them. Besides you can even change the name of the heroes, change the icons and skill names but still be mechanically the same heroe and do everything the same way (example) as dota 2 monkey king.

What I mean with this is that it dosent even need to be called monkey king, it could be called closer to the warcraft model for example "King Sasquash" (or you name it, it could be ANYTHING (I'm using Burstman0 example because it's the only one provided and it could make sense anyway). It can be a lizard that jumps from trees and be called totally different, I hope you see my point.

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